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As usual, Samuli gets the value of experimentation in trying to understand these machines.

User blog Samuli.seppanen_Were there wedges on top of washer bars – Greek and Roman Artillery Wiki – Wikia

I am very grateful to him for taking the time to write this and post it on his website.  It is invigorating to find another researcher who can play back your own intentions to you.  They sound less half-baked when someone else shows that they understand what you are trying to accomplish.

Samuli has a more comprehensive knowledge of the artifacts than I do.   The exceptions and alternate explanations he suggests are well founded.  It is good to cultivate these reasonable reservations.  They help to sharpen our focus and keep untoward claims in check.  This is just an experiment after all.  Like a signpost in the fog,  it’s usefulness must depend on knowing what it does not point to, as much as what it does.

 

 

Now that the teak oil has had it’s way with the finish,  Phoenix is more comfortable revealing her sensitive beak to the world.

 

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I expect there are many who would say that the profile of the wood case on an ancient iron frame ballista should more nearly resemble a plank than some kind of swanky bird.

But  the rectilinearists can keep their ubiquitous straight lines.  All that right angled correctness makes me yawn.  I’ll make-do with a smaller piece of the imaginary pie.  The curvy bit, please!  With a cherry on top! 

 

 

Reading that last post again, I think it can be abbreviated even further.

(1) Square crossbars bad for springs.

(2) Square crossbars good for wedge system.

(3) Wedge system good for balancing springs with washers that have coarse rotational adjustment.

(4) Wedge system good for keeping springs straight over time.

(5) Straight springs good for power.

(6) Power good for killing the enemies of Rome.

There, that wasn’t too hard to follow was it?

 

Look, I get what a pain it must be to try and read this blog and figure out what exactly this experiment is that I keep beating on about.  In the next few paragraphs I will try to abbreviate the process into as few a words as possible in the hope it may act as a signpost amid this terrifying clutter of verbiage.

Given that square crossbars, even those with a small corner radius, are quite damaging to the spring cord in high-power machines, why are there original crossbars that have a square cross section?

Answer: either the ancient machines were very low powered (not at all likely), or the Romans loved replacing their ballista springs every couple of hundred shots, or ……… wait for it ……… the square crossbars were likely part of some kind of wedge machine because wedge machines require square crossbars for their wedges to push against.  (If you understand the mechanics of a wedge machine,  this latter is self evident.)

The experiment with Phoenix will determine if it is possible to create high-power (say 1200 foot lbs or more, 350+ fps) and good balance with a wedge type system similar to the one described by Philon.

If the attempt is successful, it will not only suggest a reason why there were square crossbars, but also show it is possible to balance a torsion engine with a technique completely independent of washer rotation.  This is important because it will provide a rationale for the unaccountably low number of washer locking holes on certain artifacts (e.g. the Lyon machine).

So, in short, that’s what all the fuss is about.

 

 

 

If we plop Phoenix down on a Firefly style stand,  she’s going to look fairly boring.

 

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I think I’ll just copy something of respected pedigree.  Probably one of those sexy A frame jobs with the hinged counter stay.

I never could resist a hinged counter stay.

 

The shape of her wood is not quite there yet.  But close.

 

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Pretty darn fancy for something that’s mostly just a test bed.  Note how Phantom Advisor has particularly long ears — just the thing for detecting the patterns and echoes of a distant past.

 

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Tease that she is.

 

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Third wave feminists are encouraged to comment.

 

There seems to be a considerable amount of wrenching on the evidence to force this field frame into being an outswinger.  Those little bronze roundabouts are charming, but the exit and entrance ramps are a puzzle for sure.  Where do the little cars go when they get to the top?  Why? I keep asking myself.  Why?  ….

comitatusballista5Photo is of the machine called Constantine from the “Comitatus ballista” website.

Is this the kind of complex violation of the artifact that passes for experimental archaeology in your neck of the woods?  I’m all for leniency when it comes to hiding out in one’s analog bomb shelter, but really?  This forcing of the outswinger agenda is just too egregious to pass mentioning.

And, braided or plaited line for the springs?*  All strung up loose and goosey?  Never have I seen a deader looking torsion spring.  Perhaps it’s a work in progress.  If it is, then maybe this next photo will help by showing what a fully developed torsion spring should look like.

 

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There is some serious and highly balanced strain going on in all those fibers.  You can sense it if you look closely enough.  (Click to enlarge.)

Poor old Constantine, the most I could find in the way of a performance report for him was the following statement,  “….and the performance was excellent.”

Well that really nailed it didn’t it?

I’ll just stick my nose in the air and mumble something about how these kind of attempts are more like theatrical props than they are genuine experimental archaeology projects.  Because, you know, “experiments”, “data”, and everything…..

And what’s with the wimpy wooden locking wedges?  You don’t think the Romans could spring the cash for metal ones?  If there was any power in this contraption the steep angle on those wedges would quickly cause them to loosen with all the high frequency vibration.

Honestly!  I dunno!  Kids and industry!  Send ’em to school.  Give ’em an education.  Whaddaya  get?  Outswingers of lameitude!

…..Did I just turn myself into another foot soldier for the Performance Police?

Yikes!   The slippery slopes of sanctimony!

 


*Step one in making a powerful ballista:  never use braided anything for the springs.  It kills the springiness compared to regular three strand.

 

I finally got the balls to cut into that nice chunk of walnut.

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To my eye, her snout is still far too fat.  (I’m talking about the ballista now, not the German Sheppard.  Oona is a very sensitive and intelligent animal. I’d get a cold shoulder for sure if she thought I was making nose jokes at her expense.)

….And so, Phoenix’s forend will revisit the band saw for a little more trimming as soon as I get my nerve up again.  In the meantime, there are washers to ponder.

Also, any sharp eyed AP’s scrutinizing the above photo will be sure to object to the square-headed nuts bolting everything together.  They are just simple analogs.  Rivets are too permanent if there are changes to be made.

The corollary to this is, with a performance focused reconstruction, there are always changes to be made…

 


 

 

28 hours have elapsed since the above cuts were made.  With my chutzpah restored, the band saw has done it’s deed.

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And remembering for a moment, that inspiration from Trajan’s column: a double perspective, ancient rendition of an inswinger’s forend, outlined with little yellow markers.

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Uncommonly similar snouts, don’t ya think?  At least when this ancient art work is given the side view interpretation.  I have often thought that as a subject, “History” is the most cherry laden of disciplines.  As R says,  “It is better to know that you believe, than to believe that you know.”  We all choose the truths we care to inhabit.  Making sand castles with the evidence is the most common of traits and I’m as guilty of that as anyone.  With ancient history, the interesting propositions usually deal with hints and traces.  The “definitive” ones are often just banal.

And just because I can’t make up my mind on this whole flash bulb thing, here is Phoenix again with enhanced photons present.

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It must be admitted that Firefly’s trigger and catch assembly looks a trifle dorky stuck on a smaller machine like Phoenix.  Someday I’ll make the little dear a new one, just her size.  Now I have to dream up some softening scallops for her forend.  All very artsy, I am sure.

For newcomers, here is my five part strategy for squeezing the most performance out of Phoenix’s new torsion springs:

(1)  Pre-stretch the nylon spring cord to within an inch of it’s life.  Less hyperbolically, that means:  perform a vigorous vertical stretch of an anchored bundle of spring cord with the shop crane.   The spring cord should be in a bundle maybe eight feet long for this stretch.  The idea is to cause all the cord to elongate about 10% (maybe more) and stay under tension this way for quite a while, probably about 24 hours.   –Must research again  what’s ideal.–   Or do by feel.  “Feel” usually trumps calculation when dealing with something as amorphous as fresh spring cord.  The dynanometer can measure the amount of force being applied for this linear stretch.  Adjustments can be made throughout the duration of this pre-stretching period to keep the pressure on.

(See how useful blogs are.  I didn’t remember that long bundle, dynanometer monitored,  stretch thing, until just now when the writing took me there.)

(2)  Reform the pre-stretched spring cord into the final bundles and install in the field frames, along with the limbs. Make sure all areas that contact the springs are as smooth and pleasing and as soft and cuddly as possible. This means: nice fat radii anyplace the spring cord actually touches.  If deemed helpful, padding and pillows would be acceptable to help prevent chaffing.  Strictly the red carpet treatment for the little dears — perhaps breakfast in bed, hourly massages, that sort of thing.   In short, lull the springs into a state of blase complacency by how nice you are treating them.

(3)  After installing the springs in the field frames, and with all due ceremony and respect, drive shallow angled wedges along the top of the flat crossbars to really stretch out all of the spring’s fibers with many hundred of pounds of force.  How many hundreds?  Well that all depends …. how big is a hammer?   In any event, drive the wedges in deep. Make the springs beg for mercy, all the while utilizing the wedges to balance their power output.  When they get through gripeing at all this fiddling around, do a final round of wedge smacking and low power shooting to confirm the balance.  Then get ready to twist baby!

….. And the springs thought they were stressed out enduring all that linear stretching and power balancing from the wedges.  What comes next will really make them howl! …..

(4)  With great solemnity,  rotate all the washers equally.  (Probably about 180 degrees.  Haven’t quite decided yet.)   Now, if all goes as planned, the balance of power between the two sets of springs should transfer intact right through the twisting operation.  I have every hope that it will because Firefly herself has shown she can stay balanced through 75 degrees of universal washer rotation.  Also, it is expected that the stress will become more evenly disposed throughout the spring. Every tiny bubble of slackness will be wrung out.  All the fibers will do their part, no slackers allowed.  The springs should feel rock hard to the touch.

(5) Fire for effect.  ?????????   Here lies the great unknown in this lengthy wedge machine experiment. Hopefully it is the point at which the games can really begin.  Probably there will  be several repetitions of steps 3 and 4.  The springs need to understand that there is no escape from our training regimen.  They are going to have to work for a living.

But not to worry.  If they are evenly strained, and the chaffing trolls can be kept at bay, rope torsion springs can take a tremendous amount of stress before they fail.

Anyway, that’s the basic plan and what we will be working towards over the next couple of months.

 


 

 

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The above photo is of one of Firefly’s torsion springs that has been fully developed into a powerful source of propulsion.  If you take a closer look at it you can sense the strain that is contained within it.  (Click to enlarge.)    Note how all the cords have a smooth and even appearance.

Firefly was not fired in two years, and her springs held this high level of strain while sitting in the uncocked position for all that time.  When she was taken out of mothballs and fired again, Firefly’s velocity was exactly the same as when she had been put into storage, 316 fps with a 521 gram bolt.  And I do mean exactly the same, 316 feet per second, which astonished me to no end.  Such is the consistency of a properly developed rope torsion spring made from 3-strand nylon.  My experiments with braided nylon were short lived because it quickly became apparent that the braided material was essentially dead as a spring.  The 3-strand twisted rope was far superior to the braided.  I figure all those intersecting crossover points in the braided material just killed its performance.

Of course, Nylon ain’t Sinew.  Dismissing physical experimentation on reconstructions of ancient torsion engines because they are not powered by authentic materials neglects the fact that there is more going on in the design and development of these devices than the springs that power them.  Given firsthand accounts of ancient ballista performance (e.g. the Lightning as described by Anonymous)  it is no great stretch to conclude that however they were made, sinew springs were reliable power generators.  Our modern nylon analogs can only seek to emulate this.  If an authentic Dura bolt fired from a modern reconstruction can be cast 800 yards or more, the springs that performed the act must bear some measure of equivalency to the originals.

It is this high level of consistent power generation that has helped Firefly shoot with such amazing precision over the years.  It is no great trick to take rope torsion springs to this level, it’s just more fiddling around than most novice catapult makers can conceive of.  Which is probably a good thing.  This is potentially a very dangerous game we are playing.

Analog:  a person or thing comparable to another.  Not identical, just comparable.  The concept makes a useful redoubt when the authenticity police come knocking.

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